Toilets for Third World Areas

[PolicySpy]

A charitable organization has funded developments of toilets for third
world areas. But the organization sets required characteristics and
therefor might be a biased or unrealistic steering-committee.

So here's my toilet for third world areas:

And that's toilets connected to septic tanks. In other words, when
there is no sewage treatment plant to gravity flow and pipe the sewage
to, then what better place for the sewage than ten feet under the
ground ?

But there's more and strangely enough I am headed to a another
problem.

Well, the toilet for third world areas needs to collect rain water off
the house roof for flushing. Now, since water is being collected off
the roof and might be used for various purposes, then I prefer that
the roof be singled with stainless-steel flashing (0.03" thick). Now
I'm not saying that the stainless-steel should be formed into
expensive roofing shapes but simply just plain stainless-steel
flashing unrolled and nailed to the roof deck.

Now the problem is that no-one is offering affordable stainless-steel.
In other words, stainless-steel should be affordable when it is not
yet fabricated into complex shapes but it isn't. And when something
isn't being done then that's where governments can fill the gaps and
avoid the un-balances.

Otherwise, I am looking for policies that create demand for stainless-
steel and then have supplies based on government incentives or based
on economies-of-scale.

In fact moving back to the rich urban world, 50 year-old bridges can
be found where the re-bar rusted and then large areas of concrete have
fallen off. Yes, stainless-steel re-bar is now available for major
projects.

Also, think of projects that use heavy concrete floors like parking
decks or even elevated walkways. A stainless-steel grid would be less
floor weight. Of course stainless-steel never rusts or corrodes
(except in acid or possibly in salt-water tides). In fact, stressed
concrete attempting to have the beam strength for its own weight has
recently failed on several projects (but not on Interstate bridges).

But I'm going to back down a little here. Third world houses that
collect water off the roof should have stainless-steel flashing at
0.025" thick. And that's stainless-steel flashing as very simple roof
singles on a roof deck
.

[PolicySpy]

Post by PolicySpy
A charitable organization has funded developments of toilets for third
world areas. But the organization sets required characteristics and
therefor might be a biased or unrealistic steering-committee.
And that's toilets connected to septic tanks. In other words, when
there is no sewage treatment plant to gravity flow and pipe the sewage
to, then what better place for the sewage than ten feet under the
ground ?
But there's more and strangely enough I am headed to a another
problem.
Well, the toilet for third world areas needs to collect rain water off
the house roof for flushing. Now, since water is being collected off
the roof and might be used for various purposes, then I prefer that
the roof be shingled with stainless-steel flashing (0.03" thick). Now
I'm not saying that the stainless-steel should be formed into
expensive roofing shapes but simply just plain stainless-steel
flashing unrolled and nailed to the roof deck.
Now the problem is that no-one is offering affordable stainless-steel.
In other words, stainless-steel should be affordable when it is not
yet fabricated into complex shapes but it isn't. And when something
isn't being done then that's where governments can fill the gaps and
avoid the un-balances.
Otherwise, I am looking for policies that create demand for stainless-
steel and then have supplies based on government incentives or based
on economies-of-scale.
In fact moving back to the rich urban world, 50 year-old bridges can
be found where the re-bar rusted and then large areas of concrete have
fallen off. Yes, stainless-steel re-bar is now available for major
projects.
Also, think of projects that use heavy concrete floors like parking
decks or even elevated walkways. A stainless-steel grid would be less
floor weight. Of course stainless-steel never rusts or corrodes
(except in acid or possibly in salt-water tides). In fact, stressed
concrete attempting to have the beam strength for its own weight has
recently failed on several projects (but not on Interstate bridges).
But I'm going to back down a little here. Third world houses that
collect water off the roof should have stainless-steel flashing at
0.025" thick. And that's stainless-steel flashing as very simple roof
shingles on a roof deck
.

Collecting rainwater off the roof in third world areas ?

Well, asphalt shingles can have granulation wear off of them. Also,
asphalt shingles are petroleum-based, soft, and relatively fragile.

Plastic roofs would be better but plastic could have a life as short
as seven years. Plastic is also petroleum-based but hard and
relatively stable.

Then stainless-steel flashing at 0.025" thick would be the best
roofing for collecting water off the roof as there is no worry about
rust, corrosion, or limited life.

But galvanized-steel flashing cannot be used for roof shingles.
Galvanized-steel just has a thin plating and it will wear off when out
in the weather. Then rust begins.

Also, painted-steel can't be used for roofing in this application. The
paint is petroleum-based and will flake off when old
.

[Gerald "Brick" Brickwood]

"PolicySpy" wrote in message news:167bab4c-43b8-4e2f-8acf-***@w9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

A charitable organization has funded developments of toilets for third
world areas. But the organization sets required characteristics and
therefor might be a biased or unrealistic steering-committee.

So here's my toilet for third world areas:

And that's toilets connected to septic tanks. In other words, when
there is no sewage treatment plant to gravity flow and pipe the sewage
to, then what better place for the sewage than ten feet under the
ground ?

snipped.

Don't you think there is better use for water than flushing toilets?

Plus you must take into account local toileting customs. For example in the
Middle East washing or rinsing with water after defecating is normal if
water is available. Likewise, there are sitters and squatters (I'll let you
figure that out). So it probably won't be a one-size fits all solution.

Perhaps a self-contained waterless, non-electric composting system would
work. But, then there's always the problem of using or disposing of the
compost. Many years ago I was "exposed" to the process of fertilizing the
rice paddies in Korea. The farmers used to come into town and collect the
"night soil" and carry it out to the fields and ladle it onto the crops.
The whole country was "fragrant" back in those days. Of course that added
an entire host of problems to the local ecology since surface water and
recoverable ground water resources were terribly contaminated.

[Mr Clarke]

Post by PolicySpy
A charitable organization has funded developments of
toilets for third
world areas. But the organization sets required
characteristics and
therefor might be a biased or unrealistic
steering-committee.
And that's toilets connected to septic tanks. In other
words, when
there is no sewage treatment plant to gravity flow and
pipe the sewage
to, then what better place for the sewage than ten feet
under the
ground ?
snipped.
Don't you think there is better use for water than
flushing toilets?
Plus you must take into account local toileting customs.
For example in the Middle East washing or rinsing with
water after defecating is normal if water is available.
Likewise, there are sitters and squatters (I'll let you
figure that out). So it probably won't be a one-size fits
all solution.
Perhaps a self-contained waterless, non-electric
composting system would work. But, then there's always
the problem of using or disposing of the compost. Many
years ago I was "exposed" to the process of fertilizing
the rice paddies in Korea. The farmers used to come into
town and collect the "night soil" and carry it out to the
fields and ladle it onto the crops. The whole country was
"fragrant" back in those days. Of course that added an
entire host of problems to the local ecology since surface
water and recoverable ground water resources were terribly
contaminated.

Maybe we should ask the locals, after all they have already
been living
there for tens of thousands of years already?

[Gerald "Brick" Brickwood]

double snip

Maybe we should ask the locals, after all they have already
been living
there for tens of thousands of years already?

Sure, but the problem isn't how long they've lived there. It really is one
of population density. You just cannot appreciate it until
you've slipped and fallen into an Afghan midden or been around the Far East
during the rice transplanting. But then, what's a little cholera among
friends?

Among the most primitive of peoples when local pollution gets too bad or
game gets too scarce, they move to a new location and re-apply their their
slash and burn techniques to open a new area. But, that is becoming more
difficult because there are fewer areas to occupy.

[Mr Clarke]

Post by Mr Clarke

double snip

Maybe we should ask the locals, after all they have
already
been living
there for tens of thousands of years already?
Sure, but the problem isn't how long they've lived there.
It really is one of population density. You just cannot
appreciate it until
you've slipped and fallen into an Afghan midden or been
around the Far East during the rice transplanting. But
then, what's a little cholera among friends?
Among the most primitive of peoples when local pollution
gets too bad or game gets too scarce, they move to a new
location and re-apply their their slash and burn
techniques to open a new area. But, that is becoming more
difficult because there are fewer areas to occupy.

Isn`t this literally money down the drain? Returns?
Can`t they simply be provided with a formidable
demonstration?

[p***@hotmail.com]

Brickwood wrote:

Don't you think there is better use for water than flushing toilets?

PolicySpy writes:

Rain water collected off the roof is suitable for toilet flushing.

And sewage fundamentally needs water added to it
.